No Visual Studio support for Indie?

Hi everyone,

Okay, this is confusing. I have an Indie subscription for Xamarin.Android. Since Xamarin.Android integration in Visual Studio 2013 is supposed to be working for the FREE Starter version, I assumed the PAID Indie version would also support this.

However, when I try to run an Android project in Visual Studio 2013, I get the following message: Using Xamarin.Android with Visual Studio requires Starter edition of higher. I get the following options: "upgrade" my subscription, begin a trial, or continue using Indie Edition in Xamarin Studio (no Visual Studio support???).

Apparently, I need to "upgrade" my PAID Indie subscription to the FREE Starter edition to get Visual Studio support? This does not make sense to me. Is there a way I can get the Visual Studio support without losing anything I already paid for? Any help with this would be very much appreciated.

Best regards,
Inge

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  • IngeSchepersIngeSchepers NLMember

    An additional and more specific question: would it be possible to create a second Xamarin account for the Starter edition and then keep switching between those accounts as needed on one and the same machine? I hope so, because I am not a happy customer right now. Finding out that a free account offers functionality that is denied to a paid user like me gives me the impression that Xamarin doesn't really care about its customers, to be honest.

  • mridonimridoni ITMember ✭✭

    Starter Edition is a sort of trial IMHO: you cannot fit a lot in 64KB of compiled code (I tried) and as soon as you bring in some library or helper class, you're over the threshold. But I agree that this kind of licensing is rather weird. While it made some sense before, when an an extendable version of Visual Studio was not available for free, it makes the US$ 999 for the Business license stick up like sore thumb. And that's US$ 999 a year: while you could update VS every 2 or 3 years, if you didn't need the latest features, the fast pace of mobile development means you must update if you want support for the trendy-new-interface-component-of-the-moment.

    Of course it's Xamarin's product (and I guess this license model pays their bills after all, so it works) and all the (immense, one must say) work behind the platform must be paid somehow. Moreover, since it's a development environment we're talking about, it's difficult to find a feature that can be removed without leaving behind a mutilated product. This means that VS support is an obvious target , in case you want to differentiate between different editions, and I understand the rationale behind this move: I just wonder if there is a feasible pricing/license model that works better for some users like me: simply put, mobile development is not my primary focus so I cannot justify the expense of having a full business license for one or two small mostly in-house apps a year.

  • LukaszCiastkoLukaszCiastko USMember

    Free Xamarin Starter for Visual Studio has not been announce yet, although it seems to work.

    You have a few options. You can either sign out and use Xamarin Starter - you don't have to cancel your subscription. You can also create your app in Visual Studio (just ignore the message about licenses and trails), and build/debug the app from Xamarin Studio. You can use Visual Studio and Xamarin Studio simultaneously.

    Btw. Last time I checked, it was 128KB for iOS apps, and still 64KB for Android apps. I'm not sure whether this has been changed since Xamarin Starter started working with VS Community.

  • IngeSchepersIngeSchepers NLMember

    Thanks for the replies. I'm in the same position as Marco: I can't justify buying the Business Edition. It just doesn't seem fair that a free version of the software (though limited in size) does offer Visual Studio support and my paid version doesn't. Especially since Xamarin Studio is still a bit buggy.

    I will have to try signing out and see if I can use the Starter version that way. But 128KB / 64KB is not a whole lot, so I may have to give up on the idea of being able to use a more stable development environment like Visual Studio. I knew there were size restrictions for the free Starter version, but I hadn't realized exactly how small the app would have to be.

  • ChristianAndersen.3388ChristianAndersen.3388 DEMember
    edited May 2015

    I have got the same problem and the error message is very misleading. The message says I need the Starter edition or higher. Well, I have got the Indie edition (which is clearly higher than the free Starter edition) and it is not working.

    On the other hand the Starter edition is not usable too. The size limits are ridiculous. I started to develop an application for Android (and iOS) and therefore wanted to use MvvmCross for MVVM, Autofac as IoC container and Robotics.Mobile for the Bluetooth connection to an Arduino board. The real application only shows a scan-button and a list of found BLE devices at the moment (which is more or less nothing). But the size limit is already exceeded.

    This prevents developers utilizing the Starter Edition to write structured and clean code using well-known concepts like MVVM or IoC.

    And if these developers upgrade to the Indie edition to remove the size limit, the (new) Starter edition feature of using Visual Studio gets removed!?

    Btw., I do not think that the Starter edition is a trial edition! There are explicit trial editions for the Xamarin platform.

  • I have also got the same problem, but what is the solution for this...

  • JimBennettJimBennett GBXamarin Team, Insider, University, Developer Group Leader ✭✭✭✭

    There is no solution as such - starter supports VS, Indie doesn't, business and enterprise do. It's confusing but that's their current model.

    Best thing to do is wait till /Build or Evolve and see what the MS/Xamarin announcements bring - I imagine there will be more VS support coming for all versions, or even a community edition. We'll have to wait and see though.

  • ShantimohanElchuriShantimohanElchuri USMember ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm also as hopeful as @JimBennett ... Hope MS will live to its tradition... If MS can offer VS Enterprise in MSDN, hope they will offer Xamarin also, at least in MSDN...

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